"I think I just would have been more patient. You know, not rush into things. I was really impulsive, I was so impulsive. That's a blessing in some ways but a curse in many others." (Source: https://youtu.be/JUVkGptQfUs?feature=shared)

"You get skinned elbows, and bruised knees and the odd cut or sprain ... I do a certain amount of things, I enjoy doing it." (Source: https://youtu.be/73PZLMEGlwc?feature=shared)

"Specific plans, no, I've never done that " (Source: https://youtu.be/73PZLMEGlwc?feature=shared)

"You have to sort of be objective with yourself, yes, aware of yourself, because you are the instrument that you're playing, you use yourself in that way. ... But you do need an objective eye also of a director or an audience, I mean you need an audience, I like to present things to an audience." (Source: https://youtu.be/73PZLMEGlwc?feature=shared)

[Do you every carry the character home with you?]

"No, I'd hate to do that, imagine going home and shooting my wife. No, I don't have a problem with that at all. ... If I'm depressed well I go home very happy, if I did what I was supposed to do well, if I think I did, in my own opinion, if I felt satisfied with it. ... The division there is not difficult for me." (Source: https://youtu.be/73PZLMEGlwc?feature=shared)

"It keeps your mind busy but in a different kind of way, there's a certain cerebral thing, I mean you have to think about things that you do but it's not the same kind of stress, and there's a lot more physical ... When you're digging a ditch you're not thinking of Einstein's theory." (Source: https://youtu.be/D5dGj3lVQP8?feature=shared)

Michelangelo not ESFP

Britannica: “He led a mostly solitary life with few known intimate relationships.”

Gary Wilson: “He was never after the reality that the eye saw, rather he was chasing the ideal, the essence. What does a man’s spirit look like? What will your perfected physical appearance be through eternity? This was what Michelangelo was looking for: Spiritual proportions. Knowledge for Michelangelo was not an end in itself but a means to an end. Knowledge served the higher purpose of recreating the ‘true reality’ of the spirit man.”

Yiting Ge: “For Michelangelo, the arts and poetry expressed are praising a perfect world. It is believed that the ideal world is the real reality. Therefore, Michelangelo's artistic creation hopes not only to get rid of the shackles of the flesh and to move toward a more noble realm, but also hopes to show a perfect and harmonious spiritual world through artistic creation; it has deep philosophical contemplation, thinking about the universe and the soul. The questioning has great enthusiasm and perseverance. His philosophy pays more attention to the inspiration and neglects the external impression. He believes that matter is the blasphemy and prisoner of the spiritual world and it is necessary to obtain spiritual relief through tragic rebellion. The expression of neo-Platonism in Michelangelo's works of art is very common. The conflict between abstract speculation and artistic inspiration can often be seen in his works.”

Yiting Ge: “In general, the reflection of neo-Platonism in Michelangelo's works of art mainly reflectstwo aspects. On the one hand, Michelangelo believes that the ideal world is the real reality. The
opposite is the perceptual material world. Image, and all things are God's source, all levels under God are emulating the perfect character of the artist. In artistic creation and poetry creation, the
master pursues the highest perfection in the world of expression and chanting spirit, and this Anideal is also the ideological foundation of Michelangelo's neo-Platonic literary creation. On the
other hand, the impact of the small universe on Michelangelo’s influence is also very far-reaching.Michelangelo believes that artists can express the beauty of the concept world by depicting the sensual beauty of matter, while ‘man’ is the epitome of the universe, and it possesses reason. The soul, whether it is spirit, material or form, has reached a high degree of harmony, so Michelangelo is very obsessed with body art and pursues the noble realm of expressing his spirit with his body and strength throughout his life; but he also knows that only The soul was freed from the imprisonment of materialism to achieve the spiritual noble level. Therefore, the consciousness of the soul of reason in Michelangelo's later works is more and more obvious. Although Michelangelo hopes to achieve spiritual breakthroughs through artistic creation, he also hopes to reflect spiritual perfection and harmony through a perceptual beauty world. This seemingly contradictory proposition is precisely what Michelangelo formed about neo-Platonicism. With his unique insights and experiences, he hopes to find himself through the abstract idea of beauty and appreciate the pure beauty that people think of. Therefore, Michelangelo accurately interprets the human body and strives to accurately express the beauty of harmony. Through the methods of distorting and deforming, he expresses the symbolic meaning of the soul and gives his works more strength and soul reason.”

Yiting Ge: “Mentioned above, influenced by neo-Platonicism, Michelangelo hopes to be fully expressed through the beauty of art and eulogizes mankind with a rational soul. Michelangelo showed a strong neo-Platonism ideology, with the guiding ideology of ‘self-concentration of the soul and self-contemplation’. Drawing characters often have tension and torsion that are radiated from the inside out, and the soul has to get rid of matter. For example, Michelangelo's earlier representative painting ‘The Holy Family’ in his early paintings, Vasari referred to him as ‘a very fine and perfect work.’ The work was created by Michelangelo on the commission of Angelo Toni in 1503. As a traditional theme, it mainly depicts the Virgin, St. Joseph and the baby Christ, but in this work the three religious images are completely The way in which ordinary folk figures are presented shows that the work is a carpenter's family and reflects a secular and harmonious scene through the dramatic combination of three characters. The work uses a pyramidal composition, which is stable, powerful, compact and harmonious. The Virgin Mary sits back and highlights the spatial sensation of the characters before and after. The location of St. Joseph and the Holy Child is slightly higher, making the picture more layered. According to Michelangelo’s understanding of the beauty of the human body, it depicts the strong and powerful characters of the family. Even the nude young people in the background can see that Michelangelo’s fascination with body changes can be seen in Michelangelo’s Words, the human body is the best way to express beauty. Whether it is a meticulous external image or a coherent action performance, or the inner state of a character, is Michelangelo's display of beauty. This beauty is not only the beauty of the senses, the beauty of matter, but also the rational behind the balanced formal beauty. In Michelangelo China and the United States were endowed with infinite power, and Michelangelo integrated physical beauty and spiritual beauty in the human expression of reality.”

UK Disability History Month: “The artist was aloof and a loner. The artist’s mentor described Michelangelo as being unable to make friends or to maintain any relationship. He did not attend his brother’s funeral, which underlined ‘his inability to show emotion,’ writes Arshad.”

UK Disability History Month: “He was obsessed with work and controlling everything in his life — family, money, time. Loss of control caused him great frustration.”

Muhammad Arshad: “Michelangelo met the criteria for Asperger's disorder, or high-functioning autism. The evidence relates to his single-minded work routine, unusual lifestyle, limited interests, poor social and communication skills, and issues of life control.”

Getty: “Unlike most Renaissance artists, who learned about the human body from ancient sculpture and live models, Michelangelo participated in dissections. According to his acquaintance and biographer Ascanio Condivi, the artist first examined corpses in the convent of Santo Spirito in Florence when he was in his late teens. Michelangelo’s interest in anatomy did not extend to the organs but focused on the muscles and bones. His surviving anatomical drawings, like the ones exhibited here, attest to his thorough understanding of certain muscles, especially those of the limbs. The dissections enabled Michelangelo to grasp how the surface and contour of the body change when one moves. This knowledge was crucial for the creation of his renowned heroic nudes.”

Getty: “Michelangelo often drew the same form from various angles and introduced models made of clay, wax, or wood into his process, which enabled him to test his ideas in space.”

The British Museum: “After establishing the fresco's overall composition, Michelangelo worked out on paper the details of every figure in his complex design. Using a life model, he carefully explored each of the poses in studies full of the anatomical information he would need when painting. In time, Michelangelo made additional drawings of the heads and hands he tentatively sketched in.”

Fictional ENTP traits: Fictional ENTPs tend to exhibit a cynical and often abrasive exterior, frequently employing wit and intellect to navigate a complex or flawed world. They may struggle with conventional morality or social norms, operating by their own code or a perceived higher understanding. This group generally embodies a cynical and highly intelligent demeanor, often questioning authority and societal norms. They possess sharp wit and a tendency towards unconventional problem-solving, frequently operating outside established rules. There's a underlying current of detachment, sometimes masking deeper vulnerabilities or a sense of disillusionment.

Fictional ENTJ traits: A driving ambition and a ruthless pursuit of power or a specific goal generally characterize ENTJs in fiction. They are often willing to make significant sacrifices, including those of others, to achieve their objectives, demonstrating a formidable and often intimidating presence. The individuals in this group are largely driven by ambition and a desire for control and power. They can be ruthless and calculating, often prioritizing their goals above the well-being of others. A strong will and a formidable presence are common threads, sometimes coupled with a sense of past grievance or a need for dominance.

Fictional INTJ traits: Fictional INTJs are often defined by their intense focus and intellectual prowess, sometimes to the exclusion of social or emotional considerations. Their pursuits can lead them down dark or morally ambiguous paths, driven by a deep-seated conviction or a perceived necessity. This group is characterized by intense focus, often bordering on obsession, particularly in the pursuit of knowledge, a specific goal, or a hidden agenda. They possess significant intellect and a capacity for complex planning, but their methods can be morally ambiguous or outright dark. There's a sense of being consumed by their internal world or overarching objectives.

Fictional INFP traits: A sense of displacement or a struggle with the norms of their environment is common within fictional INFPs. They may hold onto strong ideals or exhibit a vulnerability that sets them apart, sometimes leading to tragic or isolated circumstances. This group comprises individuals who often feel out of step with their surroundings or societal expectations. They may possess a deep sense of conviction that puts them at odds with the prevailing culture. There's a vulnerability and a potential for being easily overwhelmed or manipulated, yet they can also exhibit surprising resilience or a fierce adherence to their beliefs.

Fictional ESTJs: A diverse group, these individuals often possess strong convictions and can be quite assertive in their interactions. They may display a sense of a strong will that can come across as abrasive or uncompromising. While some may outwardly project confidence and control, others might grapple with internal turmoil or a struggle for dominance or acceptance. They can be driven by a clear set of beliefs, goal, rigid worldview and maintaining order, which can lead to conflict. While some exhibit a stern or controlling nature, others channel their intensity into fierce loyalty and a protective instinct towards those they care about.

Fictional ISTJs: A sense of reservedness, cautiousness, and a somewhat pragmatic approach to life are central to this group. They often value order, efficiency, and a degree of control over their environment or interactions. While they may not always openly display their emotions and appear on the surface stoic, formidable, or even detached, there is an underlying depth and a commitment to their responsibilities or personal codes, a strong sense of responsibility and a commitment to their values or those they protect. Knowledge and a no-nonsense attitude are frequently observed traits. 

Fictional ISFJ traits: Reliability, steadfastness, and a quiet competence are key traits in fictional ISFJs. They are often supportive, loyal, and grounded individuals who provide a sense of stability and reason to those around them. They often possess a nurturing quality and prioritize the well-being of others. Their impact is often felt through their steadfast support and unwavering dedication.

Fictional ESTP traits: Fictional ESTPs shares a tendency towards being highly adaptable, resourceful, and often charismatic. They navigate their circumstances with a blend of bravado, charm, and sometimes questionable methods, frequently operating in shades of gray. This is a highly dynamic and varied group, generally characterized by a sense of charm, adaptability, and a willingness to bend or break rules to achieve their desires. They often possess a certain roguishness or a flair for the dramatic. While some are driven by self-interest, others may operate with a more fluid morality, capable of both questionable actions and surprising moments of loyalty or genuine affection. There's a common thread of navigating the world through wit, manipulation, or sheer force of personality.

Fictional ISTP traits: Fictional ISTPs are characterized by a often solitary nature. They are highly capable individuals who operate independently and often possess specialized skills, operating effectively in dangerous or challenging environments. There's a sense of self-possession and a tendency towards independence, sometimes bordering on aloofness. They are often formidable in their respective areas and tend to be resourceful and resilient.

Fictional ESFP traits: Fictional ESFPs is generally marked by an enthusiastic, often naive, and sometimes chaotic approach to life. They tend to be driven by immediate impulses, emotions, or a desire for connection and excitement, often bringing a lively energy to their surroundings. This group is marked by their enthusiastic, often impulsive, and sometimes naive approach to life. They are generally cheerful, friendly, and enjoy connecting with others. While they may not always be the most strategic or intellectual, their optimism and genuine desire for fun and connection often see them through various situations. There's a strong sense of loyalty to friends and a tendency to embrace life's experiences with open arms.

Fictional ISFP traits: This group gives off a more grounded and perhaps introspective aura. While they may have moments of strong emotion or action, there's an underlying sense of thoughtfulness and a connection to their values or surroundings. They might navigate the world with a blend of resilience and a touch of idealism, often showing a capacity for deep care and loyalty. They "live and let live" and tend to go with the flow, not seeking to impose themselves onto other people.

Explain the general personality each group without going to the specifics of each character but also know the characters traits like just don't put them in the text:

1

 * Stéphane (The Science of Sleep)

 * Jonathan Larson (tick tock boom)

 * Anne Shirley

 * Hu Tao (Genshin Impact)

 * Nahida (Genshin Impact)

2

 * SpongeBob

 * Candace (genshin impact)

 * Leslie Knope

ESTJs can be similar to ENFPs who like to explore various intellectual insights and ideas (Ne) to bring about real-world change (Te) based on ideals and causes they believe in (Fi) but the ESTJ explores and experiments (Ne) in order to establish tried and true ways (Si) of managing and directing things (Te).

ISTJs are similar to INFPs who like to cultivate their inner passions, embracing what things personally mean to them (Fi) which are sustained and preserved (Si) in order to explore, ponder, and daydream the possibilities (Ne) related to their values but the ISTJ cultivates their inner ideals (Fi) as motivation to carry out their responsibilities in a diligent manner (Si-Te).

ENFJs are similar to ESTPs who like to come up with techniques (Ti) to socially navigate situations (Fe) in order to shrewdly adapt to, and in some cases leverage, the current ever-changing situation (Se) but the ENFJ observes the immediate situation or environment (Se) in order to bring about social change (Fe) based on their holistic insights (Ni) of humanity.

INFJs are similar to ISTPs who like to refine their perceptive insights (Ni) and essential principles (Ti) by testing out and demonstrate them in real-time via tangible results (Se) but the INFJ develops principles (Ti) in order to hold together an altogether more abstract vision fraught with personal meaning (Ni) and societal implications (Fe).

ESFJs are similar to ENTPs who like to critically dissect (Ti) various possibilities and insights (Ne) through discussing or debating them (Fe) but the ESFJ likes to explore various viewpoints and perspectives (Ne) in order to establish tried and true ways (Si) of aligning themselves and others on the basis of shared sentiments (Fe).

ISFJs are similar to INTPs who like to solidify (Si) their principles (Ti) through exploring various intellectual ideas and perspectives (Ne) but the ISFJ develops principles (Ti) in order to tend those they care about (Fe) dillegently and consistently (Si).

ISFPs are similar to INTJs who like to like to romanticize (Fi) their vision and symbolic insights (Ni) in order to bring and implement it to reality (Te) but the ISFP develops symbolic insights (Ni) in order to live their life in accordance to what they personally see as aesthetically beautiful in the moment (Fi-Se). 

ESFPs are similar to ENTJs who like to adapt to the current context (Se) in order to better manage resources and implement systems (Te) fueled by their big picture vision (Ni) but the ESFP leverages resources (Te) in order to live life to the fullest (Se) based on their inner passions and ideals (Fi). 

ESTJ vs ISTJ

1. Consciousness of Fi and Ne:

 * ESTJ (Te-Si-Ne-Fi): For ESTJs, Fi (Introverted Feeling) is their inferior function, residing in the unconscious. This means it's less developed, less readily accessible, and often experienced in less mature or integrated ways. Their Ne (Extraverted Intuition) is their tertiary function, making it semiconscious – they can access it, but it's not their primary mode of perceiving or exploring possibilities.

 * ISTJ (Si-Te-Fi-Ne): For ISTJs, Fi (Introverted Feeling) is their tertiary function, making it semiconscious. They have more conscious access to their values and personal feelings compared to an ESTJ. Their Ne (Extraverted Intuition) is their inferior function, residing in the unconscious, making them less comfortable with abstract possibilities and more focused on concrete realities.

2. Behavioral Manifestations of Fi:

 * ESTJ (Repressed Fi): With unconscious Fi, ESTJs are less likely to overtly express or prioritize individual values and subjective feelings in their decision-making. Their focus is primarily on objective logic (Te) and established facts/procedures (Si). This can manifest as a more directive and less "live and let live" approach, as their internal value considerations are less readily available to inform their external interactions. They might be more focused on enforcing external standards and what they see as logically correct.

 * ISTJ (Semiconscious Fi): With semiconscious Fi, ISTJs have a greater awareness of their internal values, even if they don't always express them openly. This can lead to a more internal sense of what is right and wrong, influencing their actions in a more "lead by example" way. They might be less inclined to impose their values on others as directly as an ESTJ, having a more internal respect for individual autonomy, even if it's not their primary focus.

3. Behavioral Manifestations of Te and Ne:

 * ESTJ (Dominant Te, Tertiary Ne): Their dominant Te drives them to organize and direct the external world efficiently. Their tertiary Ne, while less developed, can sometimes manifest as exploring possibilities in service of their Te goals, but it's often more concrete and less abstract than a dominant or auxiliary Ne user.

 * ISTJ (Auxiliary Te, Inferior Ne): Their auxiliary Te is used to organize and structure their internal world and apply logical reasoning to maintain stability and order based on their Si understanding. Their inferior Ne makes them less comfortable with ambiguity, abstract possibilities, and sudden changes.

Applying this to Rowling (based on the quotes):

Rowling's strong emphasis on detailed planning (Si) and a structured, logical approach to her writing (Te) aligns with both types. However, the quotes don't give us direct insight into her Fi or Ne usage.

 * To lean towards ISTJ: We would look for hints of a more internal, value-driven motivation (even if subtly expressed) and potentially a discomfort or less developed exploration of abstract possibilities or sudden plot changes in her process.

 * To lean towards ESTJ: We would look for indications of a more external, directive approach (if we had information about her interactions) and a less overt focus on personal values in her work process descriptions.

Conclusion on Differentiating:

Based only on the provided quotes, the strong presence of conscious Si and Te still makes STJ the likely broad type, but without further information hinting at the nuances of her Fi and Ne, the distinction between ISTJ and ESTJ remains challenging.

You've highlighted a crucial nuance in how Si types (specifically ISTJs in this context) navigate different perspectives compared to ESTJs, and how both relate to their repressed Ne and their level of Fi consciousness. You're right to point out that while Si's repressed Ne can hinder the consideration of diverse viewpoints, their more conscious Fi can offer a different pathway to understanding others.

Let's break down the difference in how Fi and Ne contribute to considering different perspectives:

Ne's Role in Considering Different Perspectives:

 * Exploring Possibilities: Ne's primary function is to generate multiple possibilities, connections, and interpretations. When considering a situation or idea, Ne readily branches out to explore various angles and potential viewpoints, even those that deviate from the established or obvious.

 * Understanding Alternatives: Ne naturally sees that there isn't just one "right" way or one "correct" fact. It understands that different contexts, values, and information can lead to different valid perspectives.

 * Intellectual Flexibility: Ne contributes to intellectual flexibility and open-mindedness by making it easier to entertain and consider viewpoints that might initially seem unconventional or contradictory.

Fi's Role in Considering Different Perspectives (Specifically in Contrast to Te):

 * Valuing Subjectivity: Fi's core is about understanding and valuing individual, subjective feelings and values. While it doesn't inherently generate multiple intellectual perspectives like Ne, it fosters an appreciation for the fact that different people have different internal compasses and priorities.

 * Empathy and Understanding of Values: A more conscious Fi (as in ISTJs compared to ESTJs) allows for a greater capacity to empathize with and understand why someone might hold a different value or make a different choice based on their internal framework, even if it doesn't align with the ISTJ's own.

 * Respect for Individual Autonomy: This understanding of diverse values can lead to a greater respect for individual autonomy and a reduced desire to impose one's own values onto others. The ISTJ's "lead by example" approach often stems from this internal respect.

The Difference in How They Lead to Considering Different Perspectives:

 * Ne (Cognitive Exploration): Ne considers different perspectives by intellectually exploring various possibilities and interpretations of information and situations. It's about seeing the different ways things could be and the different logical frameworks that could apply.

 * Fi (Value-Based Understanding): Fi considers different perspectives by understanding and valuing the different internal emotional landscapes and values that individuals possess. It's about recognizing why someone might prioritize different things based on their personal feelings and beliefs.

Why ISTJs Might Be Better Than ESTJs in This Specific Aspect:

Because ISTJs have more conscious Fi than ESTJs (tertiary vs. inferior), they have a greater inherent capacity to understand and respect the diversity of values that drive different perspectives. Even if their repressed Ne makes it harder for them to readily generate alternative viewpoints, their Fi can lead to a recognition that different people simply value different things, which can temper the Te-driven urge to impose a single "correct" standard.

ESTJs, with their repressed Fi, are less attuned to these subjective value differences. Their dominant Te is more focused on objective logic and external standards, making them more likely to see deviations from these standards as simply "wrong" rather than stemming from a different set of values. Their tertiary Ne might explore alternative logical approaches but is still often in service of their Te's objective conclusions.

In Conclusion:

Both Ne and Fi can contribute to considering different perspectives, but in distinct ways. Ne offers cognitive flexibility and the ability to see multiple intellectual interpretations, while Fi offers an appreciation for the diversity of individual values. Because ISTJs have more conscious Fi than ESTJs, they may have a better inherent capacity to understand and respect different perspectives rooted in differing values, even if their repressed Ne can sometimes limit their ability to readily see alternative intellectual viewpoints. This makes them potentially less inclined towards the absolutist stances that can sometimes characterize ESTJs.

Se vs Ne

"I'm not a planner. I don't like plans of any sort, so I believe in a true following of instinct, and that's a difficult thing to describe because it's not just doing what you want to do. That's not following your instinct. That's a very sort of impoverished idea of it, but really following your instinct in the sense that you keep yourself always open to possibilities, and when the possibilities come, you recognize them, and you go with them." - Helen Mirren (an ESTP)

"Each human individual should think as if he is the first on the earth; he is the Adam or the Eve. Then ... you can open to infinite possibilities. Then you will be vulnerable, available; and the more vulnerable you are, the more available you are, the greater the possibility of life happening to you. Your attitudes function like barriers; then life never reaches to you as it is [because] it [would have] to fit your philosophy, religion, ideology, and in that very fitting, something dies in it. What you get out of it is a corpse: it may look like life but it is not." - Osho (an ENFP)

As IDRlabs has said, "Ne and Se can resemble each other insofar as they are both adaptive, novelty-seeking and on the lookout for possibilities in the external situation." One can often mistake Se types for Ne types, especially if the Se type in question uses the term "possibilities." So one may ask what is the difference when an Se user says something along the lines of being "open to possibilities"? Is it just as simple as the possibilities being of a more grounded/physical nature? Well let's find out.

When Se types (SPs) uses the term "possibilities" they primarily mean options and variations that exist within the current situation. The key mental operation is receptive awareness and responsiveness. They are attuned to the opportunities and paths that become apparent in the immediate context – whether it's a social interaction, a creative task with set boundaries (like a script), or sensory information. They excel at skillfully navigating and utilizing the potential that is already present.

Ne types (NPs) by contrast see "possibilities" as something that can be generated, discovered, or accessed by actively changing perspectives, questioning assumptions, and reinterpreting the existing situation. Their key mental operation is cognitive reframing and active construction. They focus on altering their understanding, letting go of limitations, and actively seeking out new, often intellectual, areas to create or unlock potential that isn't immediately obvious or defined within current boundaries. As beautifully illustrated by Terry Gilliam:

Terry Gilliam: "2001 had an ending that I don’t know what it means. I don’t know, but I have to think about it. I have to work, and it opens up all sorts of possibilities, and probably the next person I speak to has a different idea of what that ending means. So suddenly, we’re in a discussion, and now we’re talking. Ideas come out of that, and that’s what I always want to encourage.”

Ne aims to go beyond the perceived limitations of the current reality or understanding. As Myers has said regarding N types, they “regard the immediate situation as a prison from which escape is urgently necessary.”

In other words, Se is more oriented towards perceiving and working fluidly with the "possibilities" inherent in the current situation, while Ne focuses on transcending the current situation (or the conventional interpretations and ideas of the time) to actively generate or access new realms of possibility. 

To further showcase what I mean regarding Se vs Ne, take this quote from Madonna (an ESTP):

Madonna: "You can be open and observant in any situation. I mean, in a work situation, watching people on a set of a movie or whatever. ... There are endless possibilities of ways to absorb the information."

By contrast here is a quote from Jack White (an ENFP):

White: "When I was growing up, they didn't know it was the blues. I didn't know it was the blues, you know. It took me until I was, like, 20-something years old before I realized, 'Wow, that's exactly what these rappers are saying, exactly what Blind Willie McTell said, it was exactly what Blind Lemon Jefferson was saying.' These are the same stories of struggle and pain and love and violence that we've been hearing for a long time. So once you let your brain understand that and click into that, it opens up a whole range of possibilities of what the blues can be, and then you just can't help but fall in love with ... all aspects of the Blues." (Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EzZWjY4tb4Q)

As shown, Madonna's quote emphasizes being "open and observant in any situation" and seeing "endless possibilities of ways to absorb the information." Showcasing how Se users find potential within the concrete and immediate circumstances. She's not transcending the situation as much as noticing the various ways to engage with and learn from what's happening right in front of her.

By contrast Jack White's quote illustrates how realizing the connection between the blues and rap "opens up a whole range of possibilities of what the blues can be" demonstrating Ne's ability to see connections between seemingly different things, leading to new and broader understandings and potential avenues (in this case, for musical exploration). He's not just working with the existing definition of blues; he's expanding it through an assoicative connection.

From this perspective one can say that Se and Ne are very similar, just that Se deals more with actuality whereas Ne "skips over" what's presented (mentally leaving the original stuff behind) via conceptual association, hence why Ne (or just N types in general) have a knack for referencing things don't seem like they directly pertain to the immediate context or topic at hand. As Ignacio Ramonet said of Fidel Castro (an ENFP):

"His thoughts branch, [to him] everything is connected to everything, and the branches form long chains of links. The pursuit of a subject leads him, through an association of ideas, through the recollection of such-and-such a situation or person, to call up a parallel subject, and another, and another, and another, until we are far from the central issue – so far that the interlocutor fears, for a moment, that he's lost the thread."

Now with all that being said, does this mean that Se users are limited to the actual occurrence or that Ne users are incapable of shifting their focus on inherent situation? No, functions are about habitual and instinctual preferences (our "why" of our philosophical worldview and not the "what") but it does not say anything about one's ability. As Jung said of ESPs, Se can and will conceptualize (N), but it's moreso for the sake of enhancing Sensation. So in other words, while one can find Se types that seem to have these off-the-wall ideas, if one digs deeper one can find that these abstractions are really in service for Sensation rather than the other way around:

Tyler the Creator: "[I like] making what feels good! Right now I'm into the color match-up of purple and baby blue, and I know I'll be over it in the coming months, but as of right now it just looks good in my eyes."

By contrast the inverse is true of Ne (or N types in general) with that being sensation is in service for Ne. The Ne type may not even notice it themselves but, all else being equal, objects for Ne types instinctually are starting points from which they can mentally spring off. As van der Hoop as said, a fact is only valued if it contains, to the Ne users eyes, something beyond it. For illustration:

Jack White: "It would have been lame for the White Stripes to use the color red because it looked cool, you know, it has to have meaning behind it, it has to come from someplace that has a deeper story so that if you dug into it you could go deeper and deeper with it, so image for the sake of image is no good. I think that's sort of dead art, but if it has meaning from the get-go things will make themselves, you know, like what we're doing now has a lot of these icy blues and pale blues of the stage production that we have and the artwork for the album, and those came from a pale blue guitar that I had used in an old public school amplifier I was using during the recording; those blues in there exemplified themselves throughout all of that, and if people want to dig deeper into those colors, they can, instead of it just being something [like] 'they put a purple light on me because it looked cool, it doesn't have any meaning to it at all, just purple.' It'd be better if it meant something, I think." (Source; https://youtu.be/9rpIF_U_QLY?feature=shared&t=148)

Of course in the context of art one shouldn't expect an Se types art to be devoid of "read into it" meaning or that an Ne types are are devoid of visual/auditory merit. Any type (if given the resources and time) and create anything, what type measures is one's, as Boye Akinwande put it, "conscious attention (and inattention) that an individual directs towards the contents of consciousness. According to the psychodynamic approach, the functions exist as meta-perspectives that, in theory, are divorced from psychic contents. Rather, they operate as lenses that fundamentally bias the way we conceive of, structure, and relate to information in the psyche." Plus one's judging functions play a role in that too as it can make the Se and Ne type's creations devaite from what is generally expected of them.

So to summarize, Se focuses on the ever-changing "what is" and explores it's inherent variations while Ne moves away from "what is" in an effort to imagine "what could be" by making abstract associations. Se is about fluidly engaging with the "givens" while Ne is about transcending it through conceptual leaps.

other typological quotes

Lisa Marie Presley (on Michael Jackson): "He's not stupid; he didn't get where he was because he was stupid. It's unfortunate that not a lot of people know who he really is. He doesn't let anybody see it, and he has some idea about how he should represent himself in public that he thinks works for him, which is this sort of meek, victimy, quiet thing that he does. Which is nothing like how he really is. So, he doesn't let a lot of people see that."

https://youtu.be/zrpMihSD3uI?feature=shared&t=2230

CyHi: "[He has] that type of tediousness ... that type of research. ... Even when he’s doing beats, he’s going through every sample. Every album that came out from ’91 to like ’99, he redid every beat on every Hip Hop album ever. He would get the whole Nas album and do every Nas song one through sixteen — every beat to a T. Nas album, Biggie album, DMX album. Everybody who came out before him. He redid their album just to teach himself how to make beats so it's like if he gon’ be that studious with beats, he’s going to be that way with everything."

L.A. Reid (on Kanye West): "He’s not the egomaniacal guy that people think he is. I think he’s meticulous, he’s detailed, he works really hard, he wants to be great and he really works at it. But in private, he wants to know what you think."

Pusha T: "He’s the most meticulous individual ever."